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You even had it from the beginning with Marx versus Bakunin, 'cause Marx was for obviously state socialism, the absolute state running everything.
Although even with Marx and Engles, it was a means to an end after man is remade in his very nature, then the state withers away,
and everyone's equal and, and you have this kind of heaven on earth situation.
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