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I was uh recently well it was actually now a couple years ago uh at a spoke at the TED conference and they put me between two atheists and Dan Dennett on
one side and uh Michael Shurmer on the other side and I listened to their presentation. The fact is I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. It takes
far more faith to be an atheist than it does to believe that this was created that there's a design and designer. If I were to take off this watch and tear it
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