Australia to my people. I am now inputted my feet into the river beds and reconnected to Mother Earth and connected to segregation . It is all about working together, assimilating and teaching, teaching the same curriculum.
Well, within a couple of years, I was like, wait a second, Iowa is not so white. Segregation literally makes us not even know who's in our own community.
there's no question that situation for black people in France is much worse than it is for black. People in Britain say that was without the slightest hesitation. The segregation in France's is unbelievable. On the lack of access, uh, to Capitol, to power to career, to all ofthe things that improve in my life. I mean, you go to the projects in France. And this It's night and day because
term when black people do it for one on Gwen that revisions air no longer adhering to the narrative that we have all been taught and wanted to teach. So segregation is a problem in and of itself, mainly of Resource is, but the problem of curriculum is a nationalproblem. We don't have a standard way of teaching this history. I don't know that we should, um, have one standard
And like you said, segregation . Segregation really played a role.Our city is divided up into kind of three cities, with the East Side kind of being-- I kind of put that with the South Side.
would not be a problem, right? Segregation is a problem because once we have warehoused black and Latino children in a school, we don't do certain things.They don't get the best teachers.
Manifest destiny is still happening on the Mission. Segregation still continues to happen, because I have to travel all the way to Oakland just to get tested, because , every single timethat I attend they tell me, oh, you came too late.
it's amazing the expressions you get. segregation , and about Doctor King, and about things that were important to me and clearly life changing for her.
that it's it's part of what it means after the long Heritage of slavery and segregation then is part of what Obama seems to represent something new so veryarticulate and intelligent uh well read uh and
who essentially broke it Landis was on the other side he was the commissioner who was maintaining the segregation um the interesting thing about Ricky was um the fact that he sawan opportunity and make no mistake about it this was an Economic Opportunity more or less brought on by
And because of his proximity to the White House, he was able to protect the family so they could get what they deserved in a time where segregation was heavy. I cannot believe every single time I talk to you, you drop Ulysses S. Grant, the reason why we have a union
Eso there were. There were still massive similarities to the United States. Britain did all of its segregation . Formal segregation , a book on DSO, the level of knowledge off lots of British people off American culture and black British people. Black American culture may often surprised black Americans because that has been our proxy growing up. We've grown up on in living color. We've grown. We've grown up on Arsenio Hall. We've grown up
is the term for legalized segregation . That segregation included the force and power of state laws, of federal laws. It also included horribly unjust decisions of the Supreme Court of the United States in a series of decisions that took back
But the Supreme Court went on. The segregation of neighborhoods in Louisville and Seattle was not created by government. It's de facto segregation .
the racial landscape that we see in cities all over the country. Racial segregation , I concluded-- and that's the conclusion of this book-- in neighborhoods is as unconstitutional as racial segregation in water fountains, or in buses, or in public accommodations, or in schools.
And I live all the way in Balboa, and I have to travel out of my way, and I can't get there on time. So segregation still happens. I have to travel all the way to the East Bay just to get HIV and STD testing.
grandfather lost land three times and being taken illegally from him to be given to someone else who didn't work for it. So I'm I am a product of being born in the times of segregation rather than some people intellectualize segregation or because they were not born in it. It was kind of, um at some point it ended legally, not ended socially, institutionally, but legally, at some point it ended. But I was born at a time when it was legal to be, um, to think that you are superior as a
that the a couple of things that you said there I find fascinating, one of which is that you yourself were born into this segregation . So it's not an intellectual exercise for you. So for people like me, I was born in 70 to 4 years after the assassination of Martin Luther King. Uh, but what's interesting is that I've never lived in that kind of legalized, mandated armed and armed military enforced segregation .
of Boyer Afrikaner landscape in apartheid in South Africa. Even the segregation here in the United States on there is a sense of, ah global relationship between indigenous people of color, uh, and Europeans in the colonial enterprise in their time.
curricula that z equally yoked in both sets of separate systems. It seems overwhelming to me, given the depths of what the segregation implies. So given that how do you view the relationship between the actual educational system and the work that you're trying to do?
Can you tell us a little bit about the activities at Northern California ACLU, taking on that regard? Data shows that school segregation is getting worse what do you consider as a successful long term plan to improve the integration?
And it's much too intrusive to ask that. and found increasing segregation , increasing economic inequality there, and again just divisions that according to him did not really exist
There will be self-segregation .
they could understand you couldn't get a good legal education in a segregated law school. So they attacked segregation in law schools, desegregated law schools, then went on to other institutions of higher education. As you probably all know, in 1954 then, they abolished segregation in elementary and secondary schools with the Supreme Court decision
At least one is that it's much harder to abolish racial segregation in neighborhoods than it is any of these other areas that I talked about. If we abolish segregation in water fountains, the next day, people can drink from any water fountain. We abolish segregation in buses, you can sit anywhere you want on a bus.
If we abolish segregation in water fountains, the next day, people can drink from any water fountain. We abolish segregation in buses, you can sit anywhere you want on a bus. But if we abolish segregation in neighborhoods, the next day things wouldn't look much different.
We abolish segregation in buses, you can sit anywhere you want on a bus. But if we abolish segregation in neighborhoods, the next day things wouldn't look much different. It's much harder to undo once we've established racial segregation .
The segregation of neighborhoods in Louisville and Seattle was not created by government. It's de facto segregation . It was created by accident, by all of these individual decisions that I talked about.
And that would be a violation to recognize a child's race to remedy something that wasn't created by a racial policy of the government. It was de facto segregation . And I remembered reading about it.
But I began this investigation, and was stunned myself to find that de facto segregation is an "other myth." There is no basis to it whatsoever. The racial segregation in every metropolitan area in this country was created by explicit, racially explicit government policy designed to create racial boundaries, designed to ensure that African-Americans and whites could not live near one another with policies that are so powerful that they still determine
middle class families. The picture was taken in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania where segregated housing was built, creating and reinforcing a pattern of segregation that otherwise would not nearly have been so strong. During World War II, the actions of the government intensified to create segregation .
You find housing segregation .
And racial and economic segregation is a reality, as those of you who were at Nikole Hannah-Jones' talk some time ago remember.
What about segregation ? It's true, and it's really the shame of our city.
And I'm like, yeah, because your daughter's school looks nothing like most of the schools in the city. And that's how segregation works, is it makes it invisible what it is like for other kids. It makes it invisible what's happening in other neighborhoods.
about. I mean, what's both good and bad-- I always say bad for humanity, good for journalism is-- --is that school segregation is a national scourge. There are very, very few school districts that are well-integrated, and most of them are actually in the South.
And the way that that happened was there was a black high school and a white high school, and a black middle school and a white middle school, But because of this segregation of our communities, we have this issue that we need to move people around, and then choice actually helps with that, sort of.
We have Jim Crow segregation .
as sites of racial segregation .
including everything from reducing segregation in schools to increasing access to early childhood education programs, addressing disproportionality, increasing access to STEM
So even though there was segregation , he found ways.
infrastructure. The other part of the body of work that you've done has to do with the educational platforms themselves and segregation of schools and so on. Given that the degree of segregation , I want to just kind of throw this whole thing at you, just let us fund but given degree of segregation , that there that there is currently in U. S. Public educate well, education period. But certainly public education, uh, the challenge of having cross cutting effective
Now going back to this other segregation pattern that we see, let me take you through a couple of examples of this.
That period of 10 years of Reconstruction's progress came to a very rapid halt and was replaced by a very long period of Jim Crow-- is the term for legalized segregation . That segregation included the force and power of state laws, of federal laws.
Can you tell us a little bit about the activities at Northern California ACLU, taking on that regard? So when it comes to actual segregation in terms of schools, after the Brown versus Board of Education decision in 1954,
It's something, a term that I'm sure you're all familiar with. We say we have de facto segregation , that the segregation of neighborhoods unlike any of these other segregations I talked about, was not created by government, it wasn't created by laws, or by regulations, or by public policy.
their child would go to. But if the choice would exacerbate racial segregation , that choice would not be honored in favor of the choice of a child who would help to integrate the school.
located are segregated. Well, I agree with that. That is the reason we have racial segregation in schools everywhere. In fact, racial segregation in schools is now more intense than it ever has been in history, more segregation than we've ever had before,
And it was segregated everywhere in the country-- not in the South, but everywhere in the country, frequently, frequently segregating communities that had never known segregation before, or in some cases exacerbating segregation where it might have just been incipient, but not well-established. Some of you-- I don't know, any of you familiar with the great African-American poet, novelist, the playwright, Langston Hughes?
It was the time when segregation in hospitals, on transport, in schools was completely normal.