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called Bill Kirkup. Yes. Oh, so basically Donington's become kind of like the guru on this subject. She's never been able to have like a bird's
eye view of the whole NHSN. Bill Kirkham did as as Michael was saying and then not Donna has been she's a midwife um by profession and she's been looking into
these other trusts as well and Nottingham is is what she's been looking at and that was supposed to be over and done within I think probably a year
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