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but there was a time last year, I don't know if you remember. We were in Dodger Stadium and Don Mattingly was the interim manager. Joe Torre and the bench coach, Bob Schaefer,
I believe is his name, had gotten ejected and so Mattingly's the hitting coach. And he's managing the team. He goes up to make a pitching change and he doubles back to the
mound to answer a question. And that constituted two mound visits which means the pitcher has gotta come out of the game. And Bruce Bochy was out of that dugout in a half of second,
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