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which is to try and reason up from first principles per se yeah um you mentioned an athlete yeah who are you referring to yes there's an athlete Named Dave
burkhoff he was a an Olympic athlete in the 1988 and 92 games
uh 88 in Seoul and 92 in Barcelona he's a backstroke swimming swims 100 meter backstroke and then some of the medley races and I spoke to him for a while on
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