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Peggy Orenstein's here to discuss her new book “Cinderella Ate My Daughter: Dispatches from the Frontlines of the New Girlie-Girl Culture” which I hear is going to be making
Peggy Orenstein: Thank you.
Peggy Orenstein: Um. Kaveri Subrahmanyam: journey?
Peggy Orenstein: I just have to say first of all I'm feeling so old media sitting -- Kaveri Subrahmanyam: Peggy Orenstein: here like she's reading my credits and I'm saying, "Oh God like you
Peggy Orenstein: that every little girl had to be a princess and be swathed in pink for the first four years of her life so, or five years.
Peggy Orenstein: I mean I look at girls from infancy to sort of through the tween years and the last chapter in the book is about social media --
Peggy Orenstein: but I think is where we intersect.
Peggy Orenstein: Right. Kaveri Subrahmanyam: one of the things I talk about in my book is they're kind of at the descriptive stage. W, we know what they're doing. W, we've described what they're doing.
Peggy Orenstein: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Peggy Orenstein: Um-hum. And I think at this stage then, what is important for people like you and people like me to
Peggy Orenstein: so that that implication is considered. I don't know that we can know what it is and I don't know that you can ever say, -- I mean people always say to me, "Well,
Peggy Orenstein: that I, it's really easy to look at girls and victimization -- Kaveri Subrahmanyam: Yes.
Peggy Orenstein: but while I was doing this chapter and we're gonna talk about bullying Kaveri Subrahmanyam: Um-hum.
Peggy Orenstein: and that sort of thing and looking at all of that, one of my friend's son's got emailed to him, he's 14, a photo by one of his classmates of her naked from
Peggy Orenstein: as a media researcher -- Kaveri Subrahmanyam: Um-hum.
Peggy Orenstein: how you think about this, but when I talked to researchers on sexuality and desire, what I got back was that, for girls, that sexual entitlement and sexual
Peggy Orenstein: Um-hum. Kaveri Subrahmanyam: So we know that individuals who watch a lot of pornography have these attitudes as well. What we don't know is, is the preoccupation with sex causing their
Peggy Orenstein: Is sexual entitlement -- Kaveri Subrahmanyam: Okay.
Peggy Orenstein: as a performance or is -- Kaveri Subrahmanyam: Performance.
Peggy Orenstein: it yeah.
Peggy Orenstein: Well and boys too. You're the parent of a boy as well, right?
Peggy Orenstein: Yeah. Kaveri Subrahmanyam: that's when I had the conversation. I said, "You know you might get pictures from girls, but you really should delete them." And he looked at me in total
Peggy Orenstein: Um. Kaveri Subrahmanyam: one of the things thethat research has shown at least for the earlier generation of chat rooms, for instance, parents who had conversations with their kids about
Peggy Orenstein: Well I suppose because otherwise it's a tacit approval in a way too if you don't comment. I mean I know that from the research on media literacy --
Peggy Orenstein: something, then it comes off as a tacit approval of that thing.
Peggy Orenstein: Right. Kaveri Subrahmanyam: use occurs in the privacy of their bedroom -- Peggy Orenstein: Right.
Peggy Orenstein: Right. Kaveri Subrahmanyam: You know?
Peggy Orenstein: Now I'm depressed.
Peggy Orenstein: “It Gets Better”.
Peggy Orenstein: Um-hum. Kaveri Subrahmanyam: definitely in terms of access messages that these new tools are a positive.
Peggy Orenstein: Um-hum. Kaveri Subrahmanyam: But like any tool they can be put to good or ill.
Peggy Orenstein: Right, right.
Peggy Orenstein: No. Kaveri Subrahmanyam: and even 20 years ago when my daughter was little, I don't feel it was as strong as what you're portraying.
Peggy Orenstein: No, no.
Peggy Orenstein: because we didn't have Maytag back then and -- we had to boil clothes to get them clean -- Kaveri Subrahmanyam: Right.
Peggy Orenstein: so we didn't like to have color. S, so there were no colors. A, all babies wore dresses. T, they all wear white. And then nursery colors came in --
Peggy Orenstein: at this point.
Peggy Orenstein: And in addition you have “Cinderella” and “Sleeping Beauty” -- the Disney movies -- they're in blue and -- Kaveri Subrahmanyam: It's true.
Peggy Orenstein: I didn't think about, I hadn't 'til you pointed it out remembered about is it Michael, Michael's in pink?
Peggy Orenstein: And -- Kaveri Subrahmanyam: the younger child.
Peggy Orenstein: the little one yeah, the one ?
Peggy Orenstein: Yeah. So it wasn't really until the mid 80s when marketers recognized the profit making potential of hyper segmentation particularly with kids, that pink and blue
Peggy Orenstein: not blue so much, but pink came into its own -- Kaveri Subrahmanyam: Um-hum.
Peggy Orenstein: as being all defining of girls' younger experience. So it's just a color, it's just a color, it's a very tiny slice of the rainbow though. And to me I think
Peggy Orenstein: and it's getting narrower.
Peggy Orenstein: Um-hum. Kaveri Subrahmanyam: and it's like you've lost all the ground that you've made. So what is it that parents can do and what do you think that parents can do to combat some of
Peggy Orenstein: And I always like to say that in this book I really present myself as a fellow traveler. I'm not --
Peggy Orenstein: everything I've been fighting against for the last 30 years apparently can't.
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