How to pronounce “belling” in English

He just gets away with so much egregious shit, it's extraordinary.But Bellingcat is able to establish by cross referencing

and that there wasn't an equivalent for those who wanted to sort of counter those extremist narratives and who almost sort of wanted to fight on the side of the good.But reading the "Bellingcat" book gave me hope that there are these groups that are attracting, like you say, people who want to collaborate,people who want to be involved.

And I think to a certain degree, Bellingcat does do that.Many people actually followed Bellingcat because they were distrustful of some of the mainstream kind of reporting that was going on in certain subjects.And by being transparent and using open-source information, they were able to actually look at the evidence themselves.

But they had quite a small following online.So we used Bellingcat to amplify that and kind of organize around this a bit.And that led to a lot of success.

But the kind of people who are mad at us are the kind of people I'm glad are mad at us.If Steve Bannon was saying how wonderful Bellingcat is, then I would have failed at life, I think.Yeah. It's more of a badge of honor, really, than something to stay up all night worrying about.

Yeah, absolutely. And a lot of the time, it's just free advertising, as well.When "Russia Today" does another article attacking Bellingcat, then it's just kind of more of a sign that we're being effective.We're hitting them where it hurts.

people who want to be involved.So do you think that Bellingcat does provide that sort of rallying point?And are there other examples that we could draw hope from?

We're building a volunteer section, for example, on Bellingcat, where we kind of gift tasks for certain things to the community so it can be more directed.That kind of already happens informally with Bellingcat because we have a big kind of Twitter community, for example.And we've used that before on certain projects.

He just gets away with so much egregious shit, it's extraordinary.Does anyone not know what Bellingcat-- oh my god.

He just gets away with so much egregious shit, it's extraordinary.You need to read about Bellingcat.

Later then, there was, of course, the MH17 investigation, which we did-- it was basically the first Bellingcat investigation.And it was a huge catalyst both for the growth of Bellingcat, but also the growth of the entire open-source investigation community and the recognition of the value of itfor kind of gathering evidence.

And you've also, with those investigations that you mentioned, garnered some notable detractors, from your sort of common internet troll to governments.What are the biggest challenges that you find facing Bellingcat?Really, we obviously get a lot of pushback now from the Russian government, for example.

And if we make sure they get that credit, then it's not just about their feeling good about themselves.But we've also seen people who've been part of Bellingcat, volunteered for Bellingcat, get their own kind of full-time jobs working in different organizationsdoing open-source investigation, taking those kind of Bellingcat methodologies along with them to those organizations.

creating pop-up newsrooms and teaching them to investigate issues in the local area.And I think by combining kind of the work Bellingcat is doing with those kinds of projects, we can teach people to kind of build on thatand actually be part of an online community that is interested in doing kind of fact-based investigations, rather than what most options are at the moment is

Then the people in the crowd started getting really angry with the police.And how do you find the growth of Bellingcat in terms of your individual work?

He just gets away with so much egregious shit, it's extraordinary.I don't know whether you-- you know what Bellingcat is?

He directed "Cabin in the Woods." He wrote chunks of "Cloverfield." He was one of the staff writers on "Buffy the Vampire Slayer."Side story-- last night I was at an event in Bellingham.

He directed "Cabin in the Woods." He wrote chunks of "Cloverfield." He was one of the staff writers on "Buffy the Vampire Slayer."Oh, sorry-- Bellingham. And for some reason, when talking to the audience,

resources to to do that uh and the next year they sold the rest of it to papst and uh so inthen they came back home and um they up in Bellingham now they own Chuckanut

And it really rose out of the events of the Arab Spring from about 2010 onwards.But as it's kind of grown and become more well known for Bellingcat works and the works of others, there's been an increasing amount of interestfrom organizations who work in fields of justice and accountability.

And that's a process that we hope to teach to other organizations who, in this kind of rather unusual-- the way in which the internet has changed the way conflictsare seen, you have organizations like Bellingcat who might be the first responders, in a sense, to these incidents.And with a lot of this content being violent, social media companies are taking these videos down quite quickly.

But we've also seen people who've been part of Bellingcat, volunteered for Bellingcat, get their own kind of full-time jobs working in different organizationsdoing open-source investigation, taking those kind of Bellingcat methodologies along with them to those organizations.So recognition isn't just about feeling good about yourself.

So building that reputation is something that we're constantly doing, because until we have-- it's one thing to say, look at my work.But people aren't going to look at your work just because it's got Bellingcat by the name of it.You've got to kind of almost build a brand around your name so they'll actually take enough notice to actually read it

in a reliable way, in a trustworthy way-- online to find alternative answers to the questions they're asking.And I think to a certain degree, Bellingcat does do that.Many people actually followed Bellingcat because they were distrustful of some of the mainstream kind of reporting that was going on in certain subjects.

Probably not. Do you ship those people home for trial?This is what happened in Antarctica when one researcher actually stabbed another one at the Russian Bellingshausen station in Antarctica in 2018.So the assailant turned himself in.

Really, welcome, Eliot. It's great to have you here.You're going to talk a bit about your recently published book, "We are Bellingcat," which I thoroughly enjoyed reading.And I was fascinated to follow your descriptions of how individual cases were pieced together.

So in a sense, it's gone from just kind of random people on kind of Twitter and comments just being mad at Bellingcatfor something. And that's the Russian government being mad at Bellingcat for something.But there isn't really much difference in the sophistication in which they kind of attack us.

That seems like a-- a nice element of the book that comes across is the relationships that you're building with people that you work with.And I wondered how sort of fundamental those principles of cooperation and recognizing individual contributions were to Bellingcat and how much you think that's contributed to its success.I think because I came from that kind of amateur background where I basically just had a blog and people started reading it and talking

a chance to contribute positively.We're building a volunteer section, for example, on Bellingcat, where we kind of gift tasks for certain things to the community so it can be more directed.That kind of already happens informally with Bellingcat because we have a big kind of Twitter community, for example.

Then the people in the crowd started getting really angry with the police.And that is going to be producing documentaries and other films and other things based off the work that Bellingcat's been doing.

Then the people in the crowd started getting really angry with the police.And for another question, Matt is asking, "Bellingcat has leveraged the strengths of open-source investigations to great success.

So I had the first sentence in the book, but no book.Now I work in a bar, old bar in Bellingham Washington so I could lay out, you know, one by one, the chapters.So Turing comes into the picture because, you know, the conception of all this goes back to Turing.

I'm Alice Hemsworth. I'm a member of Talks at Google London team.And today, I'm thrilled to welcome Eliot Higgins, founder of Bellingcat, an open-source investigation pioneer.And thank you so much for joining us, Eliot.

I think just throughout kind of my work since about 2011 onwards, there have always been kind of moments which have felt significant.For example, in sort of 2013, when I was kind of blogging before Bellingcat, I used YouTube videos from the conflicts in Syriato identify smuggling operations of arms going to the Syrian rebel groups.

And that was just using YouTube videos that they uploaded themselves.Later then, there was, of course, the MH17 investigation, which we did-- it was basically the first Bellingcat investigation.And it was a huge catalyst both for the growth of Bellingcat, but also the growth of the entire open-source investigation community and the recognition of the value of it

And we really don't-- we don't really feel challenged, because for me, that's always been part of existing on the internet, that there will be people kind of send you abuse.So in a sense, it's gone from just kind of random people on kind of Twitter and comments just being mad at Bellingcatfor something. And that's the Russian government being mad at Bellingcat for something.

So archiving is as much an importance as investigating.And by spreading these processes to other organizations, we're hoping that in the future, it won't just be down to Bellingcat to kind of dothis kind of work.

And we've got a whole internet out there that we've got to kind of work with.And for me, we can't just sit back and assume things will kind of work out because Bellingcat's there and there's fact checking being done, because that's notwhat's happening. There's an increasing amount of kind of extremism online on a whole range of different topics, from coronavirus to the shape of the planet Earth

Then the people in the crowd started getting really angry with the police.So I think, actually, it gave us an opportunity almost to have a breather, because we work quite intensively at Bellingcat.

Then the people in the crowd started getting really angry with the police.And also, I'm going to be focusing on the three key kind of development areas for Bellingcat, which is our justice and accountability work

He just gets away with so much egregious shit, it's extraordinary.Because as we know, I mean, as you know much better than I, data mining, the whole Bellingcat story,