from the Tahrir Square scenes.
You think about the Tahrir Square Revolution.
Hizb ut-Tahrir is an Islamist organization.
Presenter: Hizb ut-Tahrir isn't a prescribed organization, is it?
That in Tahrir Square, we saw--.
There's the reality in Tahrir Square-- what you see, it's a revolution, people standing up, people rising.
You got punched in the streets of Tahrir Square, is that right?
the tactics that we could see in Tahrir Square came directly from Otpor.
People were motivated by social media to go to Tahrir Square.
And he can't get by the traffic because Tahrir Square is a mess.
What then led me to join Hizb ut-Tahrir, once I was already primed, is the final ingredient that you need to join the dots of the grievances that one experienced.
Presenter: Tell us a little bit about Hizb ut-Tahrir, because they are an organization who effectively want to overthrow governments right around the world and impose an Islamic
You'll see me speaking as a Hizb ut-Tahrir member.
place as a way of making public's you know Tahrir Square is the public sphere
Then, to go back to Tahrir Square, the opposite of what had happened in Czechoslovakia happened in Tahrir Square.
What all of this led to isn't me joining Hizb ut-Tahrir.
The Muslim Brotherhood was organized, and the people in Tahrir Square were not.
And less than a mile away from Bassem's office, people were killing each other in Tahrir Square to be heard.
When I was at Newsnight a few years ago, we did an item about Hizb ut-Tahrir, which was the organization that Maajid was a member of.
state. Nawaz: Founded in 1953 in Jerusalem, Hizb ut-Tahrir has three names.
Nawaz: That's right. Presenter: You were still representing Hizb ut-Tahrir.
You did a, I think it was a 70 minute film on Newsnight denouncing Hizb ut-Tahrir and then obviously doing speaking programs and so on.
The bigger danger is, it comes from-- Because I'm not just criticizing Hizb ut-Tahrir.
The BNP is legal in Britain, as is Hizb ut-Tahrir, and they should both remain legal because they're nonviolent, even though they both preach hatred.
Yes, thank you. Tahrir Square, right?
At that time, I was just, like, a doctor, trying to stitch people in Tahrir Square.
And of course, every one of the entrepreneurs I met, a week later, were out in Tahrir Square, changing everything that happened overall.
Presenter: Aha. So then, how did you make the break, and how did that go down with Hizb ut-Tahrir?
People didn't--. Andy Carvin at NPR didn't say to the New York Times, didn't say to the people in Tahrir Square, "Hey, why don't you crowd-source your revolution?