Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Okay, so let me start here.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : and as the title suggests, it focuses on the all pervasive girlie-girl culture thatwho targets little girls.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Um-hum.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Peggy Orenstein: this big.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Um-hum.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Absolutely.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : what the impact is.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Absolutely.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : In terms of what does it do for your long term identify identity development.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Right.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Peggy Orenstein: Let me think about that for a second, but it was about -- oh it was about the difference between sexualization and sexuality --
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Um-hum.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Absolutely.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Right. And when I talked to researchers and I'd be interested to know Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Um-hum.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Right, I mean I think again there isn't a whole lot of literature on these issues, but if you look at the literature on pornography, for instance, individuals
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : I think what it is doing is that it might have some implications down the road in terms of girls' views about intimacy, their expectations for relationships,
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Right.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : they forward messages, they copy and paste their instant messages, sync messages that they have with friends, they forward it on.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : online.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Um-hum. Peggy Orenstein: that if you don't point out -- Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Right.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Correct.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : or with their little -- Peggy Orenstein: with their text yeah -- Kaveri Subrahmanyam : cell phone device next to them in their bed, how do you then know
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Messages.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Absolutely.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Right, absolutely.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : the teen at Rutgers who was sort of quasi-bullied I guess through his roommate's videotaping him.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : “It Gets Better”, thank you.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : you said to open up these new – these alternative possibilities.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : you think about gay youth who are African-American or Latino -- these individuals I think have even more options with technology.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Right.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : one of the, and the second chapter where you're talking about pink, what was it pink drills, no I'm just kidding, pink stuffs, pink blocks, and whatnot
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : And in fact I was telling you the 1950 Peter Pan movie in fact had little Michael in a pink jumper.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : And I -- Peggy Orenstein: Yeah, you wouldn't see that now.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Right. Peggy Orenstein: all babies wore white, they wore white dresses -- Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Right.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Right.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : At this point.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Michael I think, yes.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Um-hum.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Um-hum.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Um-hum.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam ,: there was so much going on about what the expectation is for girls, what the mandate is for girls about what might happen if you don't follow that
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Um-hum.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Absolutely.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : It really is.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Right.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Um-hum. Peggy Orenstein: And I'm like not a tiger mom I'm like a -- Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Peggy Orenstein: dog on four roller skates mom, I think is what I am.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Um-hum.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Um-hum.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Um-hum. Peggy Orenstein: of preschooler's brains and the ways that the inborn differences -- Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Um-hum.
Kaveri Subrahmanyam : Right.