During the War of 1812, it was New England that most often talked- ... about resorting to state rights. They had a convention where they sort of wandered over towards secession territory in the Hartford Convention. We think of it as state rights because as you lead up to the Civil War, you hear con- white Southerners talking about it all the
jobbing at the time. nullification and secession , which honestly, I think is a case that can be made.
fought the battle. There was a Shay's Rebellion in Massachusetts over tax, New England actually thought about secession during the war of 1812 where the state did not get heard in their commerce. So the Civil war and the issue of slavery as a political issue but not really the cause was made that the Civil--made the Civil war an example of whether democracy could exist. I mean, democracy was not the--is the main system of government at that time
"You try to abolish slavery, we might secede." It wasn't in a direct threat but it would just--they knew that was a possibility. And the people in the North saw the abolitionist and the secessionist as the same thing. They were radicals who were staking out their positions and who would drive the country to war rather than lose their positions. So when the war started there was a fear, I mean, I don't think it was a big fear, but there was a sentiment
Brexit, was addressing a problem within his own political party. There had been no demand for secession , so what happened was we had a vote that some believe was gerrymandered. Then we have a situation where England had just survived one Scottish referendum.
- Quick pause for a bathroom break if it's okay. - The states that were in the forefront of the secession movement were the Deep South states, and South Carolina was kind of ground central for what was going
grandstanding, god-forsaken, posturing, restless, cow-tipping, homesick, cloistered, claustrophobic, sensory-deprived, under-oxygenated, fed up, talked out, overheated delegates so distraught and despairing they threatened violence, secession , foreign allegiance and even prayer. As Benjamin Franklin said, "and concluded for those who didn't abandon the proceedings altogether, with as much pre-meditation and forethought as a game of musical chairs.
need to allow and Empower local forces to be able to to go about and do that there's a secondary part of that which is once you do have uh you know uh Independence movements and secessionist movements such as uh South Sudan which create independent countries what do you do then how do you create a peaceful region uh in Africa or in places like
jobbing at the time. New England knew this, because New England immediately drew up articles of secession .
jobbing at the time. revolution. Raises an interesting question about was there an inherent right of secession .
order of states by proclaiming their wish to form supranational communities, like the caliphate proclaimed by ISIS. Is every civil war really a specimen of the same species when so many distinct dynamics, ethnic conflicts, wars of secession and national liberation, battles for succession and so on, can be found across history and around the world, all being called civil wars or thought of as civil wars?
Because you've got Sherlock Holmes, who's whatever he's doing, smoking his pipe, he's looking out the window of Baker Street, and he sees this guy walking towards his door. Yeah, I mean, off the grid does imply that you're some kind of weirdo or you are planning secession , you know, you want to make Montana a
focused on preserving democracy rather than eliminating slavery. But, that's not anything buried at all, it is the—it's the meat of the Gettysburg address. I mean, that is the last that even if folks that lose out on a specific issue don't leave the country because, I mean, as I've said in New England almost you see, they talked about secession during
He was then the first Secretary of State. He says, let's give the fort to the South, and we'll break what he calls the secessionist fever.