- Which is so important. Your work is really important because it opens a whole new perspective on the lives of the individuals and the machinery of the Nazi military that historians haven't looked at. It's so interesting that you can unlock those perspectives. And that's the underlying really, the foundation of our conversation todayand of your work, is there are layers to this thing. You can look at the tactics of war and the strategic level of war, the operational level of war. You could look at the human
- That moment in history, the Soviet Union had incredible scientists. Nazi Germany had incredible scientists.And the United States had incredible scientists.
got a little bit in my dna this whole you know what it takes to win uh even though i can't probably do what nazi and lucinda have been able to do which is compete maybe i can be there to just help support so uhit's still really about winning and i'm just not really ashamed of that i'm kind of pretty almost 4 am uh moments where you
know how to pick out the signal so this is you must have all seen this was just incredible I really did not imagine it Nazi Germany when there was push back against Einstein one of the things that um the Nazis brought up was that you
So I had to learn all about that. Nazi rocket scientists play a big part in this story.Because when they launched the first intercontinental missile from the Peenemunde Research Center in Germany
are lots of things some of the things I've alluded to of course things like ideologies we know that the power of the Nazis was to erode empathy for Jews and homosexuals and gypsies Roma people itwas one of the most successful erosions of empathy in human history because it dehumanized people it turned them into objects rather than
And we got unprecedented access to military and government officials. Nazir Sabir, who was a politician and the president of the alpine club, went all out to get us incredible access. In total we interviewed more than 200 people at length.
"Instead, he was charged with four counts of murdering Jews in 1941, during the so-called mopping up operations conducted by the Belorussian police on Nazi orders. By the time the Nazi death squads got to Mir, quite a number of the town's Jews, having got word of the impending roundup, had fled into the forests or hidden under the floorboards of their houses.
Then what happens? If it's from a dealer or an auction house and they're reputable, then they won't sell it. A Nazi named Friedrich Feltz acquired her gallery.
So I just want to underline your point, which is that if anyone does point to these things, like women being passive and men being Chimamanda Nazi Adichie-- that we should all be feminists moment that that really resonated, which I think is basically a great thing.
Those million and a half children are depending on us to carry their message, never again. When Nazi doctors were torturing us and the pain was so unbearable, I knew that we must endure and live as long as we can for those children. During the experiments, I had a silent friend.
from the control case. So this is what I personally believe to be one of the most powerful principles of influence. All when Nazi criminals at Nureenberg trial said we did it because we were told to do so it was not technically incorrect.
So the classic example is Nazi Germany. And Nazi Germany, lest we forget, was the National Socialist German Workers' Party. There was the word socialist in it.
"Hey, we are out of business." But they are effectively out of business. If the death of bin Laden and the Arab Spring isn't the punctuation mark, what is? We didn't kill every Nazi to win World War II. presenter: Perhaps you could whisper that in the ear of some politician.
electrical grid than New York City does On Any Given night and yet no one in the pillaged Nazi scientists immediately after Germany surrendered and brought them over to R team the most famous
The Nazi 's programmed Germans to treat Jews as the other. So it's not like some of these are completely fixed. So the real question is, and we had technological events that have
The Nazis banned Jewish people from working at universities, and almost immediately, one of her former students told the authorities of her Jewish heritage,
The Nazis are so evil, and there's one, I still would say that every single time World War II came up, we should all just be somber,
The Nazis , when they came to power, really controlled everything-- education, media, youth-- and understood that,
The Nazis and their collaborators would go into a community.
The Nazis did horrific things and murdered and horrific things, but that's not one that's actually, we know of, is true.
the Nazis didn't have social media and all of these technologies, which actually, I mean, we shouldn't even go down this path.
The Nazis murdered 1.6 million children.
The Nazis decided that the left ear had to be exposed in a passport picture.
of Nazism.
But what makes this different is that it was highly systematic. The Nazis actually had looting organizations. These organizations employed hundreds of people.
There were record keepers. The Nazis kept very good records, believe it or not. And ironically, this is what the Allies used and what we use today to help find looted art.
you would be in good stead with Nazi elite. The Nazis drew up lists of what they wanted, even before the war. They targeted both public and private collections.
But these were still on the list of sales. The Nazis ended up amassing hundreds and thousands of works of art. And they needed places to store all of this art.
This has an interesting story to it, because this salt mine was rigged with explosives. The Nazis felt that, if they couldn't have the art, then nobody else should have it. So they put bombs all over the entrance.
This was also done to help with the war on propaganda. The Nazis were painting the Allies as barbarians of culture. They said that the Allies would come in, the Americas in particular, and start bombing monuments that had been around for hundreds,
Like a good Oxford debater, you always have three arguments. The Nazis were harking back to a golden age, a pristine age of the idyllic identity, the folk memory of Germany.
Neo-Nazis and gangs of thugs have rounded up those they suspect of being LGBT in Russia, shaved their heads to out them, beaten them severely,
leads towards something like Nazi Germany. Now Frankfurt wrote this article in 1986 and he argued back then that there was a rise in and I'm sure many people today will think that we also
situation? In the 20s, the Nazi movement basically started, and it started in Bavarian beer halls. So alcohol was the drug of choice of the early Nazi movement. The only guy that didn't drink was Hitler. He was a teetotaler, I guess you say. So that was happening in Munich. So alcohol and National Socialism are very closely connected. At the same time, in the 20s, in Berlin, there was a completely different thing going
you're a liberal Nazi . Okay
perpetuate these Nazi atrocities, right?
lived through the Nazi death camps and wrote "Man's Search for Meaning," in which he writes that-- I'm going to butcher the phrase.
He cracked the Nazi code, and he created the Turing machine.
You heard about the Nazi concentration camps, but you didn't hear much about, in the US, people of Japanese-American heritage were put into these camps during World War II with the fighting
boycotted because of the Nazi policies against Jews and others.
It's in the Nazi rally grounds.
And then you get Nazi Germany.
traditional neo-Nazi networks, that in my head were not really connected to any of these new technologies.
were anti-Nazi officials in the German foreign ministry, in the Luftwaffe, and so on, who were also reporting
Party and the German Nazi party at the same time.
together in Nazi Germany.
the Fuhrer in Nazi Germany, where you-- it's not just with the ordinary kind of suffering,
He joined the Nazi party quite early and had a reputation as a real radical.
You might imagine the Nazi justice system is not terribly lenient toward nonconformist children.