order, the PTI party has we all know has repeatedly argued that Pakistan's repeatedly argued that Pakistan's judiciary has been compromised and judiciary has been compromised and judges have come under pressure from the judges have come under pressure from the country's establishment.country's establishment. Do you now see Do you now see PTI's position changing
the party's um position toward the judiciary will depend on what the judiciary will depend on what the judiciary is saying and doing. And uh judiciary is saying and doing and uh you you know, I would argue that in recent know, I would argue that in recentyears um the Pakistani courts have years, um the Pakistani courts have indeed taken a number of steps that have indeed taken a number of steps that have
before the the 2024 um election. And I And I think that the the the the think that the the the judiciary , judiciary , including the Supreme Court, including the Supreme Court, have been have been victimized by the political victimized by the political pressurepressure coming from the establishment in coming from the establishment in Pakistan.
And the reason that I got thinking about developmental theory is because I was the director of dispute resolution for the state judiciary in Utah. In other words, I was responsible, back in the '80s, for creating mediation programs in the court system.And I was a very naive and Pollyanna and maybe "dumb" is just a good word, in the sense that I sort
here is that in relation to this larger definition of art that I went through before with the visual thinking and imagination and creativity, museums have a capacity to be an insulated judiciary , a bit the same way that the Supreme Court is separate. Everyone here runs museumswears black but not the same kind of outfits and what I'm really trying to say is that museums can function a lot the way libraries do. This is an old fashioned and radical way
PTI's position changing especially specially towards judiciary ? towards judiciary ? Well, I mean, of course, you know, the Well, I mean, of course, you know, the the party's um position toward the the party's um position toward the judiciary will depend on what the judiciary will depend on what the judiciary is saying and doing. And uh
major change required is "rule of law". Normally, India has an impeccable system of rule of law. The judiciary is independent, the Supreme Court is pretty strong, perhaps not as strong as the United States, but next to U-, US, the judiciary is the strongest in the world. We have many independent constitutional organs, like the Election Commission, the world's most powerful Election Commission. The election law deciding body. And many of the organs.
It has a free press. It has an independent judiciary , which is at its upper levels, at least broadly impartial and not corrupt. It has a vibrant civil society.
So I got what Harry had leftover. And so I got judiciary . I asked for certain committees and he said no, and then he told me what I had.
That's what he had. So I'm on Judiciary . And I'm really happy I am.
Sometimes the questioning is something that exists for the record. In the judiciary hearings, I asked Jeff Sessions a question that he responded to by saying that he had not met with any Russians during the campaign.
We are undoubtedly going to be the freest country in the world. We do not pressure the judiciary .
country's establishment. Do you now see Do you now see PTI's position changing PTI's position changing especially specially towards judiciary ? towards judiciary ? Well, I mean, of course, you know, the Well, I mean, of course, you know, the the party's um position toward the
towards judiciary ? Well, I mean, of course, you know, the Well, I mean, of course, you know, the the party's um position toward the the party's um position toward the judiciary will depend on what the judiciary will depend on what the judiciary is saying and doing. And uh judiciary is saying and doing and uh you you know, I would argue that in recent know, I would argue that in recent
And most civil rights bills go through the Judiciary Committee. So it's the Chairperson of Judiciary with House and Senate. So That's a technical answer.
Talk a little bit about that. and are appointed like a judiciary and probably produce far less punitive outcomes for that reason.
I'm really happy I am. I've done a lot of judiciary . And later, I got what I did ask for, which is the health committee-- health, education, labor, and pensions, which is not that important unless you care
So writing allows us to see the same things. And when we create a judiciary system, we talk about law, it's a must to know exactly the same that other people know about these laws.
We need to support the free press. The other institution is the judiciary . We need to support an independent judiciary , which functions as a separate branch of government and engages in evidence-based thinking.
The other institution is the judiciary . We need to support an independent judiciary , which functions as a separate branch of government and engages in evidence-based thinking. It was no accident, it was telling that when the federal judges reviewed the original Trump immigration ban, the phrase that stuck out
happened in the 25 years I was there or any other time I think well in the early days they had unlimited oral argument understanding uh of of the Judiciary well look what do you think about camri in the courtroom and and the like the
Usually it's the Senate President, but Majority Leader in the Senate, and the chairperson of your committee. And most civil rights bills go through the Judiciary Committee. So it's the Chairperson of Judiciary with House and Senate.
The second thing that we need to do is, as Scott said before me, is clearly to take the blame out of HIV, to take stigma out. There are things that can be done in the judiciary to ensure that judges understand and prosecutors and others and policemen understand what HIV is about.
government and politics before becoming White House Council in July 1970 at age 31 he was Chief minority counsil to the Judiciary Committee of the United States House of Representatives the associate director of a law Reform Commission and Associate Deputy Attorney General of the United States he served as Nixon's White
recommendation from the book, it would be the importance of studio art, not just to museums but to people's overall lives. Yes? So you talk about giving us the answers to insulated judiciary . How can museums balance - I guess how can they keep themselves from turning into insulated in a way? And maintain that cycle of innovation, even from just saying good art and all the things we have, that's what art is, you know?
I asked for certain committees and he said no, and then he told me what I had. And he said, you'd be great in judiciary . And I said, I don't know if you've noticed this, Harry, but there are a lot of lawyers in the Senate.
It can be done. And will continue to be done, as judiciary is a really important path for us to make progress. So since we're talking about LGBT youth today, I'd like to introduce you to Currey Cook, who is actually the Director of the Youth in Out-of-Home Care Project.
does bureaucracy do, what does legislature do, what does executor do? There simply blurred lines, therefore, most people expect a legislator to behave like an executor, and an executor to be actively important and vestful. Judiciary actually wants to be all the time to be the executor, sometimes even the lawmaker. All kinds of things are happening. Distortions are there. And when it come to the people, at the end of the day, in a system where the word has no meaningful consequence in their
We are undoubtedly going to be the freest country in the world. And also in Argentina, we have restored freedom to the judiciary .
And yet the way that wealthy countries have increasingly resolved these issues has been through the judiciary ,
Also, even though there is no independence of the judiciary , and the government has absolute control over everything,
And when they work, they work to sustain democracy. Think of judges. The whole idea of an independent judiciary is they're not beholden to special interests. They protect the weak from the powerful.
And if the defense attorney had been any good in Kelly Clark's case, he would have pointed that out. The free press, the scientific method, independent judiciary -- I think that we need to work hard to support them, and we need to work hard to do for ourselves.
So those are a government that fairly enforces contracts, independent judiciary , having a well functioning social sector so not a lot of social strife and having a well functioning
then leave. That kind of public sentiment toward museums has probably not been engendered in this country for a long time. So the public sentiment in this notion of trust in museums is what this passage I'm about to read is about so this is a piece from a chapter called "The Insulated Judiciary " and I'll read several pages, and then break, and then read a little bit from the Epilogue of the book. Can I switch microphones mid stream? Okay. Can
that cycle of innovation, even from just saying good art and all the things we have, that's what art is, you know? Amy Whitaker: So this is a very related question about how museums keep themselves from becoming overly insulated to a elite judiciary and it's a political structural question and the answer has everything to do with more people making art. So for me, if you describe museums as a judiciary , then they're a political institution and all political institutions in a democracy
art. So I would invite more and more people into the conversation around art and into the public debate around the role of museums and art and society and I think therefore you get this countervailing force. You get an insulated judiciary on the one hand and then you also get what the same founding fathers would have called "factions" on the other, this colliding molecules view of a lot of viewpoints and I think we don't have that now because there are a lot of exceptionally smart, curious, creative people who apply
citizens so that there's a civil Serv that is more or less competent so that there's a Judiciary that is more or less
And coming back to the Supreme Court And coming back to the Supreme Court order, the PTI party has we all know has order, the PTI party has we all know has repeatedly argued that Pakistan's repeatedly argued that Pakistan's judiciary has been compromised and judiciary has been compromised and judges have come under pressure from the judges have come under pressure from the country's establishment.
against it, particularly in the days and particularly in the days and weeks weeks before the the 2024 um election. before the the 2024 um election. And I And I think that the the the the think that the the the judiciary , judiciary , including the Supreme Court, including the Supreme Court, have been have been victimized by the political victimized by the political pressure
So the original Constitution of the United States basically created the separation of powers between the Executive Branch, Congress, the Judiciary , and then
to democracy. Well, once Viktor Orbán took control as prime minister there, he reformed the judiciary in order to be able to nominate
For instance, last year, we have rescued 1,100 children from Delhi itself, from the capital of India, with the help of judiciary and police
to produce work that looks the same so that it's recognizable on an art market and that the trick is to kind of maintain a liveliness of an existing institution and that's no easy to do so I'll just read a bit of the conclusion of this chapter. The insulated judiciary is not something we can do without because it alone is what creates a sense of trust in museums. If trust erodes, superficial spectacle can intercede as an attempt to shore up the institution when the underlying substance has gone awry. And the pursuit of spectacle
Amy Whitaker: So this is a very related question about how museums keep themselves from becoming overly insulated to a elite judiciary and it's a political structural question and the answer has everything to do with more people making art. So for me, if you describe museums as a judiciary , then they're a political institution and all political institutions in a democracy exist in relation to a notion of citizenship so what I would say is that the idea of being a citizen of the art world is to be an artist oneself, not just to be an appreciator of
And it's, it's a very precious thing a corrupt-free bureaucracy, a corrupt-free judiciary . And once you have that undermined, it takes a long time to right. So it's a really, it's a really important