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and, uh, I think certain motivation comes from sensible processes that prompt people to conclude, gosh, this place, uh, is reasonably well organized, it'sreason -- it's got its act together, doesn't have too much freedom and too much iconoclasm -- And consequent -- and the other way around, from the nonsensical --Michael: Absolutely. Or it can be so process driven that it's the Internal Revenue Service. Right. I think we're in violent agreement actually. Yeah.
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