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Listen to native speakers pronounce “hoban” in real conversational contexts with synchronized timestamps and subtitles.
in what I don't have strong views about uh are the motivations of human beingsthemselves uh Human Nature nature seems to me to be the stuff of historical study and although I'm probably instinctively a Hoban in other words Ithink that the state of nature is pretty ugly and civilization is all about trying to re our natural impulses in I'm prepared to be argued out of that in