David Abrams' work on "The Spell of the Sensuous", more biocentric points of views. Escobar, for example, this anthropologist says we need to look at the West, our own culture, as exotic. Very difficult to do, but this is exotic, this kind of deforestation, this is exotic.
Even I know JK Rowling has talked about with her films, you don't get final approval because-- and I can understand this, because this Suzette Escobar has a question for you.
But there are these wonderful critiques, innovators in theory and practice and development who are saying, biocentrism, post development-- I recommend Arturo Escobar. He has a book called "Encountering Developments", which is genius. David Abrams' work on "The Spell of the Sensuous", more biocentric points of views.
And it's like two hours long, two and a half hours long. because Pablo Escobar's henchmen used to drop dead bodies down ravines on either side and they would just be piled with bodies.
So again, I was in Los Angeles. I called Luis Escobar, the photographer who'd been with us on the trip. And he lives in Santa Barbara.
So I'm going to go a little off script for a second. And there's a question from Suzette Escobar in Sunnyvale that I really liked. Seeing this presentation, seeing your performance live today, the question is, you're doing this day in, day out.
So hopefully you can be-- Perceptions are a hard thing to explain, obviously. if I have seen Pablo Escobar.
Y entonces mi sueño es esquiar los cinco. ¿Tú te imaginas? Yo me muero. Esquiando con mis tres cachorros y mi marido de coche escoba , que siempre tiene que haber uno por si la silla-- por si algún giro te caes, y no hay mucha pendiente a veces necesitas alguien que te eche una mano.
how long it took for the Israelis to find Eichmann after the Holocaust. Not for a lack of trying, it took 15 years. In fact, one of the stories I have in the book is the CIA looked at other manhunts like the hunt for Eichmann, like the hunt for Pablo Escobar, like the hunt for Eric Rudolph, like the hunt for Aimal Qazi who killed two CIA employees in Virginia in 1993. They tried to derive any lessons learned.
them to their prehistoric counterparts. And see whether there isn't not some sort of common ground there. Whether these ultra runners are not trying My friend Barefoot Ted showed up. Jenn and Billy Bonehead and Scott Jurek and Luis Escobar and myself. And not long after, we found ourselves totally
Now you know-- go ahead. presenter: I was going to change the topic to something else, which is that you referred before to the importance of family, or relatives in the capture of Pablo Escobar, in the Eichmann kidnapping. You make the point early on in a way that keeps a tension through the book, which is "Is bin Laden's family going to play a role here?" You met bin Laden, famously,
organization by any stretch. The problem about finding bin Laden was the United States has a few ways to find you. Signals intelligence: you're talking on your cell phone. That's how they found Pablo Escobar. Essentially, they gave the Columbian police directional finding technology that allowed them to zero in on his cell phone. Well, it was a radio phone at that time. Another way is human intelligence. We don't have a huge