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know coming in, how good is their writing, how good are their analytic abilities. And then what they hope to do is create a value added measure, this is down the road, but
they want to say Ok how are they coming in? How are they when they leave? How much have they improved? And they're trying to come up cross national comparisons that will really
be valid. It's a difficult thing to do but I think it’s a really great effort and I think that ultimately you could get better measures of learning, and somehow combine
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