And I think that one of the possibilities that my book explores is that right of boom, you could see a similar expansion of coercive activities, but one focused on nuclear threat networks more broadly. Now a second historical topic that the book delves into are the lessons of the 70 years of Brinkmanship between nuclear weapons powers.
It's part of why I have a job. And then about the coercive part-- there's often this assumption that surely, one person must be forcing the other to do this. And usually, the assumption is that the man-- if it's a heterosexual relationship, the assumption is that the man must be forcing the woman
In fact, when I saw them do that in a total of about 3 and 1/2 hours, I was thinking, why do we take six weeks? that they used were coercive and took advantage of a young, inexperienced, quiet kid who had mental limitations
He's right, and it's worth thinking about what that direction is. Surveillance is generally coercive , instrumentalist, designed to discover something or to preserve a state of affairs. When we're aware of surveillance, especially when we come to understand that the things we do and say are being fed into systems that potentially shape
War was becoming surgical, frictionless, postmodern, and even abstract or virtual. It was now called coercive diplomacy. The object of the exercise no longer to kill but to persuade.
And I don't want to waste your time telling you how we did that. But it was coercive . It was not cooperative. It was one of those I'm turning your funding off if you don't switch over to TCP/IP.
So there's been a massive change, absolutely huge, and I'm really, really glad about it. Because it's not just coercive control, domestic violence, physical abuse.
And I might have been able to turn to trans folks as role models in some way, just in terms of their ability to resist some sort of coercive modes of binary gender and live otherwise, but they weren't really accessible to me in media at that time.
a Pakistani whose family had gone to Kuwait and they moved back. Pakistan is twice the size of California, with a population of 180 million people, so trying to find out-- In terms of-- Leaping over the question of coercive interrogation for a minute, the things that really got to find Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti was associating a real name with him, which took till 2007. The next big break was associating a real cell phone with this real name. That took till June of 2010. The reason that happened
al-Kuwaiti is playing an important role in al-Qaeda. Did that happen before the coercive interrogation? Did it happen after? Did it happen during? We don't know. But Wikileaks and other ways of-- We know how this guys was treated. When Karen uses the word "torture", which I think is a word that can sometimes be, as it were,
And often, often what you want to do is persuade the person on the other side that you are prepared to pursue alternatives that may be coercive as part of a negotiation strategy. And, so I entirely agree.
I'm sure we could add to this, but these are the big ones, at least in my thinking. The first is the frequency of nonconsensual and coercive medical treatment, up to and including clitoridectomy So this began to happen around the middle of the 19th-- of the 20th century, so in the late 1950s, early 1960s.
In fact, when I saw them do that in a total of about 3 and 1/2 hours, I was thinking, why do we take six weeks? to deliberate, coercive , leading questions, feeding him the facts, none of which fit.
able to articulate their wants, needs, and desires than previous generations, and whether some of the dynamics that were happening in those relationships were feeding into the culture that was surfacing around coercive sex and assault. So I decided to talk to young women who were between the ages of 15 and 20, because that's sort of when girls
definitive history of what really happened in this program. Neither of us on this stage know enough about it to really say exactly what happened, but Qahtani gave up interesting information. He was coercively interrogated. Somebody else seems to have given up useful information. We know less about him. He was picked up in Iraq. The flipside is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his replacement Abu Faraj al-Libi, the number 3 in al Qaeda, were both coercively interrogated. They gave disinformation about Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti,
And for me, this means that intersex activism and trans activism, especially around questions of depathologization, are deeply allied to one another. But anyway, the practice of nonconsensual or coercive gender assignment and then hormonal and surgical treatment began in the 1950s with John Money, who recommended that infants be assigned a gender if they're born mixed sex or intersex visibly.
fortifications. Now, this is a tricky photo to read. How can we, in a coercive brutal regime like East Germany, how can we tell what these people are actually thinking, what their motivations, to what extent are they being coerced and who are we to evaluate them?
But the thought was that the only way to get the money was to control it and the only way to control it was through copyright. You know, if you take it as a coercive thing, sure, maybe it can stop people from doing things, but I think if you want to make money, your approach has to be different.
There's obviously the more extreme version of that, which is the death penalty, which I don't adhere to, but I could see the rationalization of, well, you stole somebody else's life, so you don't ...in this spectrum. - Well, and coercive control is becoming more of an issue, where that's when somebody, for example, in a relationship takes control of the finances, and that's
So consent and autonomy are really, really thorny concepts because when we live in a world that insists on binary sex, any decision you make is going to be a decision you make under conditions of coercion because the binary sex schematic itself is coercive . But anyway, so that would all have to change.
The first topic, understandably, is the history lessons of efforts in non-proliferation and counter-proliferation. Non-proliferation really deals with international cooperative activities, while counter-proliferation tends to be coercive actions, and often more unilateral. When it comes to nuclear weapons, non-proliferation can be traced back to the Truman administration and their support for an entity that they called the Atomic Development Authority.
But it is possible that right of boom, that these kind of things could be politically feasible. Now counter-proliferation. There's a long history of governments using coercive means to try to prevent the spread of dangerous weaponry and dangerous materials. My book, for example, cites an operation launched during World War II by the British to sabotage a heavy water reactor in Norway that Hitler
Phillip Taubman: Speak up a little bit, please. It has to be, as George has indicated, coercive diplomacy.
Do you think that eventually negotiation was the right thing to do with Libya? Robert: Absolutely, in fact Libya is quite an extraordinary example of the use of coercive diplomacy in terms of trying to isolate Libya, in terms of putting economic pressure on Gaddafi.
And I think it was a great triumph of diplomacy. And it illustrates the point that came up before. Often what you wanna do is employ a strategy which is by some measures coercive , but also being willing to engage. I mean that is in fact I think what President Obama is trying to do with Iran now in terms of having more onerous economic sanctions if in fact they aren't prepared to negotiate.
choice. The semi-conscious war between these lifeaffirming self-emancipating behaviors and the coercive domination of
with the very small radical group is we end up targeting the wrong people or we target people too coercively or the
There's obviously the more extreme version of that, which is the death penalty, which I don't adhere to, but I could see the rationalization of, well, you stole somebody else's life, so you don't controlling how the other person lives in that relationship, that's when you get into things that are called coercive control. And things like jealousy
And in the book, it talks about a lot of things. The main bulk of it is all about me living a 10-year marriage of domestic violence, domestic abuse, coercive control. But I really wanted to give a background into who I was, because I think when you're mixed growing up-- I had, I think, one other mixed friend, and her mom
It's fucked. So also enduring trauma. So when you're an intersex infant or child, and you're subject to these forms of coercive medical trauma, up to and including clitoridectomy, that also means that you have a long history of going to see medical professionals without a clear understanding
She's pretty wonderful. But our first visit together, I said, hey, I have this condition. So I'm not going to list all of those, but really, like, every time you see forms rework so that there's not this sort of coercive binary
And also, just like monogamous people, individual preferences and amount of sex can vary from person to person and relationship to relationship. So the next myth that we're going to tackle is the myth that non-monogamous relationships are unethical, or that they are coercive . So we do need to tackle the question of ethics.
And tomorrow, maybe we could build skyscrapers and space programs that way, without the kind of coercive hierarchical control.
through law enforcement cooperation or under intelligence authorities-- covert action findings. But after 9/11, the US military in acknowledged operations, began participating in coercive counter-terrorism activities in a significant way. And I think that one of the possibilities that my book explores is that right of boom, you could see a similar expansion
dovetail and sometimes they don't. And from a marketing perspective, there's always an attempt to say that magnifying desires is somehow less coercive than instigating them,
Robert: I, you may know something I don't know. Robert: Right Now look, I -- tactically I think there probably were lots of mistakes made, but-- what-- Often what parties are doing is taking coercive
abused. In this case, Susan Crawford, who's a federal prosecutor appointed by the George W. Bush Administration to oversee the Guantanamo trials, who was appointed to the bench by Ronald Reagan, not a pinko liberal by any stretch, said this guy Qahtani could never be tried for anything because he'd been tortured. Qahtani was undoubtedly coercively interrogated. He undoubtedly gave up useful information. The Senate Intelligence Committee is doing a massive investigation of all this. Dianne Feinstein last night released a press release
information. He was coercively interrogated. Somebody else seems to have given up useful information. We know less about him. He was picked up in Iraq. The flipside is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his replacement Abu Faraj al-Libi, the number 3 in al Qaeda, were both coercively interrogated. They gave disinformation about Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, the courier. Where does that leave you? We can't run history backward. There is ammunition