He hunted Bundy for years until they caught him. When Bundy was finally apprehended for good-- because he escaped twice-- he was finally apprehended for good in Florida. Keppel traveled there and interviewed him multiple times and was able to get Bundy to confess to more murders that they didn't know he'd even committed.
And I break in and I just kill people. But Bundy did that, too, at the end. So is he organized or disorganized?
He ended up specializing in serial murder. He hunted Bundy for years until they caught him. When Bundy was finally apprehended for good-- because he escaped twice-- he was finally apprehended for good in Florida.
So I was less struck when I read this book about Ted Bundy himself-- he's very interesting-- but all of these side people, the people who were approached by Bundy and didn't go with him. So I know somebody who was living in the sorority house that he attacked in Florida.
Did you use any particular examples from the real world to base Ellery's behavior and baggage on? So I have the Bundy case as one of the imprints. But actually I was assaulted by a neighbor when I was five repeatedly, by a neighbor who told me he would kill me
We see some circumstance or some person. This is Ted Bundy , the serial killer.
Many people take this disparity to suggest that there is no ground truth. There's nothing Ted Bundy can be wrong about and that the Dalai Lama can be right about. That is -- that gives us any kind of moral bedrock.
And there are a lot of them. There's a new Ted Bundy story every year, basically-- a movie, a TV movie, a book, something. This story, it's 40 years old, but it keeps getting retold, and so Ted Bundy lives on.
But in the struggle, he got both the cuffs on one wrist, and so she was able to escape. And she became the beginning of Ted Bundy 's end, because people knew that he was out there, this guy named Ted, and there were the missing girls, and they were probably connected.
But for Carol, he's there every day. Her life now became about Ted Bundy . And the public won't let him go for her.
She has no choice. Another person caught up in the Ted Bundy story would be the Reed Markham type character. And this was Bob Keppel, who was brand new.
there it wasn't his fault and he was also a road scholar and named the Canadian first Canadian coach of the year without further Ado Michael Bundy stand here perfect great hey thanks everyone look it's really great that you're here I know you're busy people and you got a thousand things to be doing so it's great that you could
other people is an integral part of human happiness and this is what his attention is purposed toward for the most part. Then you have someone like Ted Bundy who woke up every morning trying to think of which young woman he was gonna abduct and rape and torture and kill -- and I think he killed something like 28 of them.
- That's fascinating. So that's one important component of serial killers. What else can we say about the psychology? What motivates them? So if you look at some of the famous serial killers, Ted Bundy , John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, is there other things we could say about their psychology that motivates them? So interesting, the tether to reality. I mean, loneliness is a part of the human condition.
So she was forced to either let this lie perpetuate or to come forward and say, I don't have a son. He's lying. So Bundy 's been dead for decades. He was electrocuted in Florida in 1989.
Well, it turns out their families turn them in, their friends, the people who know them, who can say, oh, yeah, he was a bed-wetter. Yeah. Or in Bundy 's case, his fiancee was like, he has plaster of Paris in the bathroom and some handcuffs in the car.
So out there is a woman who would be a little younger than me who has Ted Bundy for a father. And her mother is somebody who had sex with Ted Bundy when he was on death row. So that's your parentage, good luck.
And so he has living victims, one of whom is a woman named Carol DaRonch. Carol was 18 and shopping at a Utah shopping mall when Ted Bundy , pretending to be a police officer, told her that her car had been broken into and she needed to come with him to the police station and make a report.
When Bundy was finally apprehended for good-- because he escaped twice-- he was finally apprehended for good in Florida. Keppel traveled there and interviewed him multiple times and was able to get Bundy to confess to more murders that they didn't know he'd even committed. Eventually, Keppel went on to specialize in serial murder and try to help classify them to see if we could figure out
And now he's been handed one of the most infamous cases in all of history. So I was less struck when I read this book about Ted Bundy himself-- he's very interesting-- but all of these side people, the people who were approached by Bundy and didn't go with him.
General Electric was at the forefront of that research. The team that was working on this question at General Electric was made up of Francis Bundy , Herbert Strong, H. Tracy Hall, Robert Wentorf, James Chaney, and was managed by Anthony Neyrot.
But instead, he got out of the car, and her life changed forever. She would have been victim number 17 of Francis Coben, who's an infamous Ted-Bundy -type serial killer who had abducted and killed 16 girls before. And he kept the hands and ditched the rest.
And one of the questions I get asked a lot is where did it come from. And the genesis of the story was about 20 years ago I was reading one of the stories about Ted Bundy . And there are a lot of them.
And this was Bob Keppel, who was brand new. He had been on the job as a homicide detective one week when he got handed the Ted Bundy case. And this completely changed the trajectory of Keppel's career.
And then also some of it just turns out not to be helpful even as a classification system. So one of the big things they tried early on was you could be an organized killer who would be kind of like Bundy , who planned his victims. And he had this very big ruse where he would dress up as an injured person with a cast on.
So it took a while. Even though lots of people were turning Ted in, Ted Bundy , like, ooh, this guy does drive a VW Bug and his name is Ted, the cops just didn't believe it could possibly be him until his girlfriend actually turned him in when he moved to Utah and more women
And indeed, one woman did marry him on death row when he'd been convicted of all of it and actually bore his child. So out there is a woman who would be a little younger than me who has Ted Bundy for a father. And her mother is somebody who had sex with Ted Bundy when he was on death row.
more normal. And I said, where'd you get that from? And he said, oh, from a biography of Ted Bundy that they had in the prison library. So anyway, I faked madness too well.
who was a particular best seller. I mean, her books were just insanely popular. If there are any -- this is a strange way to put it -- but if there are any Ted Bundy fans out there. Then you probably have heard the name Ann Rule. Because she wrote the book "Stranger Beside Me," which has become
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So you confront moral difference. For instance, a difference of opinion between someone like the Dalai Lama and someone like Ted Bundy , the Dalai Lama wakes up every morning thinking that maximizing compassion and helping other people is an integral part of human happiness and this is what his attention is purposed toward for the most part.
There's a new Ted Bundy story every year, basically-- a movie, a TV movie, a book, something. This story, it's 40 years old, but it keeps getting retold, and so Ted Bundy lives on. And for the people who were caught up in his story, this can be difficult to have to keep reliving it
And then he drove her not towards the police station but away from it. And so she freaked out and demanded to be let out of the car, at which point Bundy realized that the jig was up and he had to subdue her somehow.
And the cops were able to start putting the pieces together. So Carol today-- so, more than 40 years after this incident-- still gets 10 to 15 messages per day about Ted Bundy . People write her saying, oh, he kidnapped me, too.
They want her story. A couple of years ago, some guy decided to say he was her son and he has this connection to Ted Bundy . She doesn't have a son.
And yet, by the 80s, she's a best-selling author and she's writing for magazines like Good Housekeeping and Family Circle. And she's making claims like these. In her book about Ted Bundy , she suggests part of the reason that Bundy becomes a serial killer is that he came from an unstable home. An unstable domestic environment. She says and I quote, "his mother was deeply involved in the promiscuous
home. An unstable domestic environment. She says and I quote, "his mother was deeply involved in the promiscuous culture created by the 1960s." And so, her equation there is "single mom; dates a lot -- Ted Bundy ." Now obviously this was sort of a -- these were sub-political kinds of statements. She was not openly allying herself with the emerging Christian
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